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Erduardo, fine, mock my statement on a kill-or-be-killed world, it just proves how ignorant you are.

"They transfer their violent urges onto other people, demonise them, then sublimate those urges by attacking those people, at first verbally, often using violent imagery, then ultimately physically." "Ring any bells?"

May I ask how you know this?

You imply I am a pyschopath because I want them all dead? I want them all dead because they are a menace and a problem; a burden, an object of fear. There's two ways to get rid of your fears, well three;
1. Fight them and try to be victorious
2. Run away from them for ever
3. Ignore them and hope they disappear
You, it would appear seem to be on the side of these psychopaths. So you are either; a psychopath, incredibly ignorant or incredibly lazy.
I will assume that you are ignorant and therefore assume that you don't fear them because you will not accept your mortality, no human will (atheist or not). The odds are slim for you or anyone you care about to be attacked by a psycho, so you don't care. Well please, for the sake of not being ignorant, try to empathise for both the parents of the psychopath who have to hear that (through no fault of theirs) their offspring had raped and decapitated a 9 year old girl, and more importantly, empathise for the parents of the nine year old girl who through the fault of society and their misguided views on reality, have lost their daughter for ever. What are your views now?

"Yes, what a wonderful place the world would be under your reign of amoral logic and precognitive justice."

Amoral?! you are the one who is amoral my friend, you will allow benevolent humans to be killed by sadistic whackos. What is wrong with you?

The merciless deserve no mercy!

And finally,
after being subjected to your anti-human views I can clearly see that you in-fact are a psychopath. What do you have to say to that? You are not? Well, to quote you; That's what they all say.

Sorry Justine,
I just couldn't let him get away with that rubbish he was posting.

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'There's two ways to get rid of your fears, well three;
1. Fight them and try to be victorious
2. Run away from them for ever
3. Ignore them and hope they disappear'


4. Overcome them with strength of character and reason.

or in your case

5. Sublimate them into a tirade of self-righteous indignation and a wild eyed lust for bloody revenge to right some imagined wrong.


'their offspring had raped and decapitated a 9 year old girl'

Own up, this is just another one of your sick fantasies isn't it?


'you will allow benevolent humans to be killed by sadistic whackos'

Good lord! Will I? I had no idea.


'The merciless deserve no mercy!'

Careful, I detect a logic spiral.


'I can clearly see that you in-fact are a psychopath. What do you have to say to that? You are not? Well, to quote you; That's what they all say.'

Ooh! How original. What wit. ( Mind you immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so thank you )
Plus a hint of talking to yourself as well (another sign).

Rob I have to ask...
Are you auditioning for the role of 'Vengeful Old Testament God' on the off chance the position might come up?

PS I suggest you get a dictionary and look up the difference between amoral and immoral.


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"4. Overcome them with strength of character and reason."

More emotional rubbish. No reason? No, you cannot write that. There is no reason behind allowing someone to sweep through a society and kill innocent people.

"5. Sublimate them into a tirade of self-righteous indignation and a wild eyed lust for bloody revenge to right some imagined wrong."

No, I am just being logical. But to defend from the other side, what is wrong with indignation? It is anger brought on by an injustice. Injustices are wrong.

"Own up, this is just another one of your sick fantasies isn't it?"

Well, it takes one to assume everyone else is one.

"Good lord! Will I? I had no idea."

Yes, you will. Thank you for once again proving your ignorance.

"Careful, I detect a logic spiral."

I am merciless, and I don't deserve mercy. But I am NOT a hypocrite.


"Ooh! How original. What wit. ( Mind you immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so thank you )
Plus a hint of talking to yourself as well (another sign)."

Ok, this is coming from someone who said, that's what they all say. Very original your-self. No, I was not flattering you, this must have been another one of your delusions. And as for that 'another sign' crap - where - ON EARTH -did you get the idea that I was talking to myself? Just go and take your pills.

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From dnafiles.org -

'There simply isn?t enough information in the genome to encode the
precise detail of the connections among the hundred billion neurons in the brain. And so while genes
create the overall blueprint for each person, there is a certain amount of simply random
developmental effects in wiring up the brain. And then, the environment acts to shape and sculpt those connections.'

So there are probably no baby psychopaths to kill. So Rob, cleaning society with a war on the womb is probably not an option. Maybe you will need to wait until nursery and smoke them out then?

Rob's pre-school exam:

Please take your time and answer the following questions carefully - very carefully.

1. Do you find Humpty-Dumpty falling off the wall funny?

2. Who is your favourite - Harry Potter or Voldemort?

3. Have you ever been so very angry that you have wet yourself?....


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Quote:
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This string has degraded into blind prejudice. Sociology classes anyone????? Do we need to go back to school in order have an intelligent discussion on societal subjects or can we pry our minds open a little by ourselves?

What happened to the ultimate wisdom of mercy?
Just look upon these posts as studies of the human condition itself, Justine. It's humanity in a petri dish.

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Quote:
Originally posted by Blacknad:
Rob's pre-school exam:

Please take your time and answer the following questions carefully - very carefully.

1. Do you find Humpty-Dumpty falling off the wall funny?

2. Who is your favourite - Harry Potter or Voldemort?

3. Have you ever been so very angry that you have wet yourself?....
LOL nice one Blacknad

And remember kids... Failure is NOT an option.


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Funny how quickly you let go of your argument Erduardo. You seem to only be part of this debate to attempt to insult me.
And whether or not I am a psychopath will not be determined by three questions. But I do prefer Voldermort to Harry.

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It's a serious issue and diversions into name-calling and what not are an easy distraction from the uncomfortable powerlessness we have in regards to people who are out of control. It's a lot easier to lock them up then deal with them. The same goes for people who suffer from mental illnesses. Lock them up and keep them away from us because they are completely unpredictable.
But, they are upredictable unto themselves as well, so isolating them is cruel to the humanity that dwells within them as well.
Instead of throwing them off the edge of the Earth...these are the people who need extraodinary levels of attention, education, and connection to humanity. Not to mention assistance in adhearing to medication regiment.

It's a heavy topic and thanks Blacknad for the distraction into lightheartedness...it's a burden to even ponder let alone discuss.

I read a book over the summer and I just hated the author for taking me into the mind of a psycho. The cover looked so tranquil and it was too well written to put down. It can be a sick and twisted reality for these pitiful people....but even the issue of psychopaths is just a distraction from the real deal...the common criminal who is just an average human thrust into incredibly stressful environments....growing up in families and neighborhoods where there is no where to have a simple live devoid of the influence of guns, drugs, alcohol, and abuse...no easy way out...these are the people who ride the cycle until they find themselves in jails, crack houses, whore houses, institutions, or dead...and they're really not different from you or me. (We are the lucky) Life on this Earth is not fair.
We have a lot of work to do to make it a better place to co-exist.


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Right, well here comes an obvious question;
Justine and Erduardo, If you somehow knew -for sure- that Hitler was going to do what he did, would you kill him when he was an infant to prevent this?

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"And whether or not I am a psychopath will not be determined by three questions. But I do prefer Voldermort to Harry."

- Rob, despite the fact that you are often so angry, I cannot help but warm to you.

Living in a society where many seem to feel passion about nothing more than celebrity, money and sex, it is good to see how passionately you feel about things. Even though I disagree with you sometimes, I am heartened by your energetic posts.

And the three questions were not designed to test whether you are a psycho, but were designed to help you smoke out the psycho-toddlers wink

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"If you somehow knew -for sure- that Hitler was going to do what he did, would you kill him when he was an infant to prevent this?"

REP: Who would not despatch Hitler as a baby if we saw his future? Or at least put him on Ritalin or introduce him to soft drugs.

"Hey I had this great idea of using the National Socialist German Workers Party to establish a Third Empire on earth - but then I got stoned".


The problem is that for as much as we know at the moment, each newborn child could potentially be a Hitler or an Einstein. We just can't tell.

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Rob, despite the fact that you insist on callng me Erduardo with a superfluous 'r' I will nonetheless answer your query... No I would not have killed him for I do not believe in predestiny, but rather in free will, maybe I would have taken him under my wing and educated him to respect other cultures and other people... and damn it Rob, I hold out my hand to you, and if you take it, we can change the world my friend.


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Ok, bad question, considering chaos theory. I keep forgeting about chaos theory...

You believe in free will? We can discuss that on another thread.

Ok, so you, when it comes down to it, would rather attempt to help someone who is a real danger to society as opposed to simply 'removing' them. Ok, fair enough, but don't come crying to me when you unleash them upon humanity saying; 'man, what a good job I've done of that human being' -only to read in the newspaper the very next week that yet another serial killer is at large.
Personaly, I like to take the path of least resistance, it's just... natural.

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Blacknad asked:

"If you somehow knew -for sure- that Hitler was going to do what he did, would you kill him when he was an infant to prevent this?"

I think some of our members did not take note that we are supposed to know for sure what Hitler was going to do when mature.

If, If, there was such a thing as knowing for sure, and we know this is a really tough hypo, I would be inclined to vote for drowning.

Now, that is only one solution at a time when there is going to be a lot of doubt about doing it. So, as an alternative I would amputate his right arm so he could never start that nasty salute he was so fond of- too harsh you may feel. OK let the creep live and educate him to be a little more female in his manner- he had a head start I think. Not very ddep.
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I wonder if Hitler was drowned....would someone else just have taken his place?

If I knew Hitler's future...as a possible future that could be altered, then I would vote to nurture and educate him. Maybe he could have been a positive influence on the world instead.

If I knew that Hitler's future was set in stone if he lived...then I would vote for euthanasia at birth explaining everything to the family and gaining their consent, first. Use a gas mask to anesthetize, and then an IV euthanasia injection.


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STOP ANSWERING THIS QUESTION! It is stupid! I told you I forgot about chaos theory. The question makes no sense.

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...Not to mention the fact that time travel will never be posible. Gawd! What was I thinking?! Please do me a favour everyone, and pretend I never asked such a silly question.

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You have loosened the question upon the world now... AND IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN...YOU FOOL...YOUU UTTER FOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!


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