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#10182 - 07/14/05 11:59 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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I am disappointed that Al has not responded. He stated that he knew of no scholarly work on IQ which did not recognize the difference between average black and white IQs.

I purposely misinterpreted his remarks to include an endorsement of the idea that this difference was due to genetic factos.

The left and right both make this misinterpretation routinely. The left proced to then attack the idea of the existence of IQ. The right generalize that IQ is almost entirely genetic and the difference must be racial, I.E. genetic.

Strictly speaking Al did not say anything about the genetic origins of the difference. Ergo, strictly speaking I did not really address what he said. I was trying to force him to make his position clearer with regards to either a genetic or environmental origin of the difference or the idea that no one at this point could say due to insufficient data.

Obviously, from the various posts in this forum, the question of the existence and nature of IQ is so politically charged that it is never discussed independent of race issues. Al's post was the first in this thread to raise that issue as I recall.

Jensen is the most famous advocate of the idea that the difference is genetic in origin. His argument runs.

Proposition: The difference in IQ between whites and blacks is quite significant.

Proposition: Such a significant or major difference could only be caused by significant or major environmental factors.

Observation: No such radical environmental features are present.

Conclusion: The difference must be genetic.

This is a very good argument. However, in order for it to be valid, the various points must be true. A difference of 15 points in average IQ must be so radical that only a radical difference in environment could account for it.
This requires a valid scientific knowledge of what is a radical environmental difference and what is a radical difference in IQ.

Neither of these exist. Jensen, and the authors of TBC base their conclusion on what might be called an intuitive belief about what these are. Now given the science of a few decades ago, and that when Jensen was young, this a very reasonable argument, and one which does not in any way suggest that Jensen is now or ever was a racist.

Now, if you look at feral children, you can see how radically the phenotype can be changed by truly radical differences in environment. Compared to these changes, a 15 point difference in IQ is almost microscopic. Relatively minor and can plausibly be induced by relatively minor differences in culture.

Second, IQ studies in Europe have shown an average difference between Polish and French of about 12 or 13 points. About the same as the difference between blacks and whites in the US.
Poles have the highest average IQ in Europe the French have the lowest, at least at the time the book I am referring to was written.

Apparently the cultural differences between Poland and France are sufficient to produce the level of IQ variation that exists between blacks and whites in the US.

The Flynn effect shows an incraese in raw scores on IQ tests over time a little more than 3 points every ten years. Apparently the cultural differences between one generation and the next are sufficient to produce a difference equal to that between whites and blacks in the US every 40 years or so.

It follows that based on available data of other equivalent differences in IQ between various groups, the difference in IQ between whites and blacks in terms of phenotypical variation is relatively small and can be easily explained as the result of relatively small differences between white and black culture.

Thus, Jensen's argument does not stand up when compared to data relating to other IQ differences between groups.

No one with serious credentials in Psychometry denies either the existence of the difference, or the existence of IQ. The arguments denying these two scientific facts originate entirely in political and dogmatic areas. There is real debate on whether the origin is genetic or environmental. Jensen is the acknowledged authority on the genetic side, Flynn is the acknowledge leader on the environmental side.

Flynn proposes a phenomenon he refers to as recipricol reinforcement. http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/000805.shtml

The URL above discusses the idea.

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#10183 - 07/14/05 04:51 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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Could you explain "Psychometry". By the way you have used the term I think that my definition of the term differs from your own.

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#10184 - 07/15/05 01:20 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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http://www.cherylsmeed.com/psychometry.html

http://www.cherylsmeed.com/main.html

Psychometry

Have you ever touched someone or something and gotten some kind of message ? such as ideas, pictures, or words? While shopping in an antique store, do you pick up impressions about certain pieces? You are experiencing psychometry.

Psychometry is the art of interpreting the psychic vibrations contained in objects. Sometimes referred to as "psychic touch," it is the ability to read an object's history or the history of those who may have handled it. While it deals most often with the past, it may often reflect present states as well. It is often used in cases of missing persons. The reader can touch an object the person has worn or touched, usually an article of clothing, to get impressions of the person?s whereabouts.

Some common items used in psychometry are rings, bracelets, necklaces, earrings, and watches. Any of these items will hold information about the wearer, such as thoughts, their emotional state, and sufficient events affecting the person?s life. Through psychometry, a story unfolds that describes not only the events of a person's life, but also how the person is feeling, thinking and reacting to these events. In order to receive clear information, the object should belong to and have been worn only by the person getting the reading.

The following exercises are very basic, but they will help you learn to develop your psychometric abilities, individually and in groups. Everyone has this ability to some degree, but most of us don't focus on it consciously. With practice, you may become proficient in a very helpful tool. And as I always say, only use your gifts for your highest good. Any attempt to intrude on someone?s life without their permission is an invasion of privacy and is very inappropriate.

Which Hand To Use

The hand you use to get impressions from objects of very important. Your dominant hand gives or relays information, while your non-dominant or receptive hand receives information. Your receptive hand is the correct hand to use.

The following a simple test to find out which hand is most receptive. It is very important that you do this, as you will always use this hand to receive impressions, at least until you have become so accurate that you can use either hand.

For most right-handed people, the left hand is the receptive hand. For left-handed people, the right hand is likely to be the receptive hand. If you are in doubt, or were changed from a left-hander to a right-hander as a child, the following test can be used to discover which is which.

1. Hold both hands at chest level with fingertips pointing up and palms facing each other.
2. Rub hands together very lightly to stimulate the energy flow.
3. Move your hands closer together, then apart, feeling the flow of energy.
4. Whichever hand feels stronger, or that it is emitting stronger energy, that is your dominant hand. The other is your non-dominant or receptive hand. Always use your receptive hand in psychometry.

When you are beginning your work in psychometry, always pick up or touch an object with your receptive hand. If you pick up the object with your dominant hand, you may inadvertently transmit an impression as you do.

Form a habit of using your receptive hand to take things from others, and to pick up something you may intend to use. This will be a challenge, as you are probably used to picking things up and holding things with your dominant hand, but this practice will help you to remember to use your receptive hand for psychometric work.

How To Practice Psychometry

As we have already learned, all objects carry an energy frequency connected to the person they are most in contact with. You can learn to interpret these energies with the exercises that follow.

The first exercise is for the individual, but it is best performed with a friend from whom you can receive feedback.

1. Sit relaxed with your eyes closed and your hands in your lap, palms up.
2. Instruct a person to place an object that they have had in their possession for a long time in your receptive hand.
3. Relate everything that you see in your mind, think of, hear in your head and any feelings that you have while holding the object.

You may pick up some thoughts, feelings, and symbols that seem meaningless to you but keep talking as much as possible about what is in your mind and you may be amazed at how much is relevant to the owner of the object. This technique develops your gift of feeling. It gives you the experience of learning to tune into another person's vibrations to discern what you are feeling.

Sometimes, while practicing psychometry, the feelings associated with the object are vague and don't seem to bear much relevance to anything recognizable to the owner of the object. On other occasions, the opposite is the case and intricate details can be discerned. Some people are more relaxed and trusting and so they get many messages immediately. Some people are afraid they will say or do it incorrectly so they get nothing. Don?t worry. You can?t do it wrong!

The following exercise is for a group of people. Group practice is best because you can all put an object into a bowl without knowing which object belongs to whom. In a new group setting such as this, try not to say anything that might make someone uncomfortable. Be tactful and diplomatic, but as descriptive of your thoughts, feelings, or symbols as possible for feedback from the owner of the object.

1. As discreetly as possible, everyone puts an object of theirs in a bowl.

2. Each person then reaches in and takes out an object that it is not their own.

3. Hold the objects in your receptive hands until you receive an impression.
Sometimes I ask specific questions such as, "Will this person change their job or career?" "Will he or she find love?" "If so when?" "Who?" What lesson does this person have to face at this time? ... etc.

4. Each person then takes a turn describing his or her impressions. Relate everything that you see in your mind, think of, hear in your head and any feelings that you have while holding the object.

5. Everyone should give some kind of feedback. Feedback is what helps us to develop your skills.

Dermo-Optic Perception

Another area of psychometry is dermo-optic perception, or "sight through touch." It refers to ?seeing? by touching the skin?s surface. Some people have developed this sensitivity quite naturally, especially those who are sight impaired and must rely on touch.

Everyone emits electromagnetic energy. When we tap into this energy, we can see as well as if we were using our eyes. But regardless of continuing proof that such a thing as dermo-optic ability is present in many people, arguments still abound that relate dermo-optics to telepathy and clairvoyance. Therefore, it should be mentioned that in many cases where dermo-optic perception ability was found evident in a certain person, that person was separately tested for telepathic and clairvoyant abilities, and in most of the cases, no such ability was present!

Some people can distinguish colors and patterns through dermo-optic perception. Various colors have different feeling. Some have described black as "sticky" or "clinging" to the touch, while yellow was "slippery" and blue was found to be "still more slippery, but cool to the touch, like delicate ice." Red causes great, bold radiation, and according to some, is so hot that the subject immediately draws his hand away, as though from searing heat.

It seems that small children are sensitive to colors, and can easily distinguish them merely by feel. One young mother reports the case of her six-year-old daughter?s ability to distinguish colors by touch. She shared that on day while she was wrapping Christmas presents, she asked her six-year-old daughter to give her the bolt of red ribbon. Her daughter immediately pulled the right color ribbon out of the bag, and repeated this with green, gold, white, and blue ribbon. She never pulled the wrong color out of the bag.

With practice, we can all master the ability to read by touch. Here is an exercise to help you develop your sense of touch.

1. Prepare a bowl of lukewarm water.

2. Close your eyes and gently dip your fingers into the water.

3. Repeat this exercise for about five minutes at a time.

At first, you may have some difficulty knowing exactly when your fingers make contact with the water, but after a short amount of practice, you will feel the tips of your fingers becoming more sensitized.

Feeling textures is also a helpful means of developing dermo-optic perception. Place various specimens such as salt, sugar, sand, or other granular substances into small separate envelopes and touch each substance through the envelopes. Don?t reach in and touch the substance directly. First, try to distinguish it through the paper of the envelope. At first, it may seem impossible to detect exactly what your fingertips are touching through the paper, since all of the substances are similar in texture. Here is the point of the test where you must not doubt! Trust your instincts. With patient practice, you will be able to detect through your fingertips the substances in the envelopes.

Various objects have different feelings, not just in texture, but because everything radiates its own specific energies, and trained fingertips can sense these differences. Awareness of this speeds the process of your own development in dermo-optical attempts.

Feel the difference between wood and paper, plastic and metal, wool and silk, china and glass, or hair and fur. This method will help to enhance your sensitivity to feel the varying objects and textures.

Such practice raises your vibration so that eventually you will be able to "read" someone just by touching him or her, as you learned psychometrically.
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People don't care what you have done
People won't remember what you have said
But they will never forget how you made them feel

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#10185 - 07/15/05 05:56 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
Rusty Rockets Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by YOGI:
Psychometry

Psychometry is the art of interpreting the psychic vibrations contained in objects. Sometimes referred to as "psychic touch," it is the ability to read an object's history or the history of those who may have handled it. While it deals most often with the past, it may often reflect present states as well. It is often used in cases of missing persons. The reader can touch an object the person has worn or touched, usually an article of clothing, to get impressions of the person?s whereabouts.
Mm, that's what I thought.

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#10186 - 08/21/05 02:44 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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I have taken several "IQ" tests. Each with different results. Given that fact alone how much creedence can be placed in any one IQ test? Your score will merely reflect what you can discern from that material on that given one test at that one time. Genius, superior, average, does it matter how well one can rotate on object in one's head if they are unhappy or have mental illness? I think what we do with our intelligence is the real test.
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#10187 - 08/22/05 10:44 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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Quote:
Originally posted by MrMung:
I think what we do with our intelligence is the real test.
I agree.
Dr Sarah with her 160 IQ doing "research" on the weed. How much more stupid one can get?

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#10188 - 08/23/05 02:06 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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Dear Doctor Sarah,
interesting findings, the relation between using dope and IQ. Is there any URL or other link from where these findings can be viewed in more detail?

It is my experience that one can train oneself to improve on IQ tests, furthermore, now even you can pump it up by smoking weed, wow!

All the more reason for me to find that showing off with one?s IQ is just as bad mannered as boasting about the size of your private parts or the height of your income.

On the other hand, more attention should be paid to the really smart children, for they are often bored to death on regular schools, being interpreted as stupidity, resulting in even more waist of talents, anyway, that is the situation in Western Europe, in the US maybe there is more pro-active anticipation towards the education of smarter people.

But to comply with your request, mine is about 135.

Hoping to hear from you soon,
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Regards, Hugo

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#10189 - 08/30/05 03:08 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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My IQ is 160 but I am as dumb as a rock with no ability to foresee the future, learn from mistake, or any ability to comprehend reality.

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#10190 - 08/30/05 03:45 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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Uncle Al:


But blacks are not dumb enough not to fight for their rights and freedoms, are they? So I guess that places you in a bit of a dilemna:

Apartheid at Wikipedia

The principal apartheid laws were as follows:

* The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act (1949)
* Amendment to The Immorality Act (1950)
o This law made it a criminal offence for a white person to have any sexual relations with a person of a different race.
* The Population Registration Act (1950)
o This law required all citizens to register as black, white or coloured.
* The Suppression of Communism Act (1950)
o This law banned any opposition party the government chose to label as "communist".
* The Group Areas Act (27 April 1950)
o This law barred people of particular races from various urban areas.
* The Reservation of Separate Amenities Act (1953)
o This law prohibited people of different races from using the same public amenities, such as drinking fountains, restrooms, and so on.
* The Bantu Education Act (1953)
o This law brought in various measures expressly designed to reduce the level of education attainable by black people.
* The Mines and Work Act (1956)
o This law formalised racial discrimination in employment.
* The Promotion of Black Self-Government Act (1958)
o This law set up nominally independent "homelands" for black people. In practice, the South African government had a strong influence over these bantustans.
* Black Homeland Citizenship Act (1971)
o This law changed the status of the inhabitants of the 'homelands' so that they were no longer citizens of South Africa, and therefore had none of the rights that came with citizenship.
* The Afrikaans Medium Decree (1974) required the use of Afrikaans in schools

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The apartheid system
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Apartheid in South Africa from day to day


Apartheid was implemented by the law. The following restrictions were not only social but were strictly enforced by law:

* Non-whites were excluded from national government and were unable to vote except in elections for segregated bodies.
* Non-whites were not allowed to run businesses or professional practices in any areas designated as being for whites only. Although this was theoretically a prohibition applied symmetrically to blacks and whites, every significant metropolis and practically every significant shopping and business district was in a white area.
* Black and white transport and civil facilities were segregated.
* Blacks (except for a few who had "Section 10" rights), who comprised over 60% of the population, were excluded from living or working in white areas, unless they had a pass. Whites required passes in black areas.
o A pass was only issued to someone who had approved work; spouses and children had to be left behind in the non-white area.
o A pass was issued for one magisterial district confining the holder to that area only.
o Being without a valid pass made a person subject to immediate arrest and summary trial, often followed by "deportation" to the person's "homeland". Police vans containing sjambok-wielding officers roamed the "white area" to round up the "illegal" blacks.

The interior of a black man's pass book.
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The interior of a black man's pass book.

Black areas rarely had plumbing or electricity. Hospitals were segregated: the white hospitals being the match of any in the western world while black hospitals were seriously understaffed, underfunded and far too few in number to match the white hospitals. Ambulances were segregated, forcing the race of the person to be correctly identified when the ambulance was called. A "white" ambulance would not take a black to a hospital. Black ambulances typically contained little or no medical equipment.

In the 1970s each black child's education cost the state only a tenth of each white child's. Higher education was practically impossible for most blacks.

Trains and buses were segregated, with third-class carriages reserved for black travellers. Black buses stopped at black bus stops and white buses at white ones.

Public beaches were racially segregated, with the majority (including all of the best ones) reserved for whites. Public swimming pools and libraries were racially segregated but there were practically no black pools or black libraries.

Sex and marriage between the races was prohibited.

Cinemas in white areas were not allowed to admit blacks. Restaurants and hotels were not allowed to admit blacks, except as staff.

Although trade unions for black and "Coloured" (mixed race) workers had existed since the early 20th century, it was not until the piecemeal reforms of the early 1980s that trade unions for black workers were recognised by the government, and strikes remained banned. The minimum yearly taxable income for blacks was 360 rand (30 rand a month), while the white threshold was much higher, at 750 rand (62.5 rand per month).

Apartheid pervaded South African culture, as well as the law. The perception of non-white South Africans as second-class citizens was reinforced in many media, and the lack of opportunities for the races to mix in a social setting entrenched white attitudes of superiority - often demonstrated in hostile, rude or patronising behaviour.



Anyway Uncle Al, aren't you a bit of an anachronism? Shouldn't you be bemoaning the lack of segregation by IQ rather than griping over the differences in average IQ of countries/races? Wouldn't that be more scientific?

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#10191 - 09/01/05 04:41 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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IQ testing is somewhere between a cop-out to legitimize failure and a way of making yourself feel big because of pretty numbers... Depending on your pretty numbers, of course.

138 last tested (1998). Although I did hear someone say once that IQ could go down so who knows, maybe I'm teetering on remedial by now, eh?

It doesn't matter, really. If you do your best (without settling for it) I guarantee you'll be a success... Whether you give mensa $40.09 per year or not.

Yogi, very impressive tale chief.

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#10192 - 09/10/05 04:49 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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I.Q. was meant to be Mental age divided by physical age and so was meant to be a measure of the speed at which we learned. Obviously that also requires opportunity, and a lack of opportunity will throw off the results.

Genius on the other hand is the ability to see the connections when others don't. Of couse that is similar to the definition of insanity, which is what many of us plead.

As I posted elsewhere we have been breeding for book learning and math intelligence for a relatively short time. China has been doing it for about 2000 years, Europe for about 500, and African only in the last 100 years. On the other hand, China stopped breeding for physical ability 2000 years ago, Europe 500 years ago, and Africa is still celebrating the runner/hunter. Come to the States and see our hybrids.

The mechanism of breeding is simple. Women who want to be mothers consider the ability of the suitors to be able to provide for their families. Those at the low end of society will pick men with potential upward mobility.

In the Middle Ages in Europe, a peasant would choose a large strong man who might succeed in battle and be made a knight. In China, a fast learning young man might be invited to go to school to become a scribe. They would both be considered very eligible by all the pretty girls.

That the native African is not smart, I don't believe. He has been trained for a different kind of learning. That the NBA is 80% black has nothing to do with racism, it has everything to do with 2000 + years of breeding.
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#10193 - 09/26/05 12:01 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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I have tested my IQ 2 times online and both times it was less than 100. Last time it was 91. According to information found on the internet, I could not even graduate a high school. But I somehow managed to graduate a university in applied mathematics, though I haven't received top scores. Maybe those tests are a bit synthetic and depend on education system, so people graduated different education system have different thinking mechanism? In my country we never solved logical tasks like those in the IQ tests (a few similar pictures and alike) maybe I simply don't know how to solve them? In our country it's known that american high school level is much lower than in eastern european countries, but universities are much stronger in this point of view.
(I'm sorry for my broken English)

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#10194 - 10/04/05 01:03 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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DoctorStrange, how you indulge!

I think Sparky has a great response to your issue but there is going to be controversy. From my stand point it only takes a 25 IQ to know that I would look like holy hell in spandex.

I will give some information you probably do not want or need. I grew up under happy circumstances that were not conditioned to better education. What I had was very good but I was a drop out in the 10th grade of high school and never had an IQ test that I can recall until I went into the Army. I am aware your POST was likely motivated by your pride of having a 169 IQ and then letting us know Albert Einstien had an IQ of 200, close I suppose to yours?

Over the years I have taken a number of IQ tests and I have always wondered how society can lump all catagories of people into such yests. Pasty has hit the point on the ability to leanr as a criteria but that is less than the tip of the iceberg. Learning itself improves the ability to learn, education provides the basis to grasp the meaniong of words, the feeling knowledge has for words depictions- like what is Sheakspere saying with his mumble jumble, in short extremely concise depictions of emotions and actions.

Being a high school drop out I feel keenly about this. Every IQ test I have had, starting from 120 entering the Army has gone up ever since. The end result is not germain - the point is that, in my opinion, the ability to learn is a factor but the excercise of learning makes a powerful addition.

Congratulations on your 169.

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#10195 - 10/04/05 01:06 AM Re: IQ and Intelligence
jjw Offline
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I meant SPARKY not Pasty, lower my IQ.
Jim Wood

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#10196 - 10/04/05 07:03 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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Hi YOGI:

We have something in common, we were both dropouts. Mine was by choice yours possibly not.

They should devise a test for common sense. It has seemed to me over the years that some people that were otherwise intellegent had no common sense in every day matters.
JW

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#10197 - 10/04/05 07:49 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
extrasense Offline
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Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 427
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by jjw004:
Hi YOGI: We have something in common, we were both dropouts.
Well, this is really a country of dropouts. We are doing all that heavy lifting, that stupid smart people pay to learn how to.

With educational system in shambles, it may be smart to drop out.

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#10198 - 10/05/05 08:29 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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I do not know my IQ and I am not interested.

I find it no surprise that many of you know your IQ. Presumably this enables some of you to make up for your woefully inadequate lives. - 'Ah, I may be socially inept and a complete freak who has a fixation with gathering knowledge to help feel superior, but screw you - my IQ is 4000 you chimp.'

It is also very similar to the whole celebrity & media industry. You're special if you are beautiful and have the right things and wear the right clothes. Substitute IQ for image.

IQ is, for some, yet another form of snobery.

***I imagine it will be quite high as we are of an intelligent breed!*** -Point proven?

Taking an IQ test to rate yourself is a peculiar form of intellectual masterbation. I have always stayed away from that kind of prideful activity.

Regards,

Blacknad.

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#10199 - 10/06/05 09:17 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
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Woah!! Did I really write that? Must have got out of the wrong side of bed yesterday. I apologise for insulting people I don't even know.

Please disregard my comments.....

.....although I have seen enough people who do use IQ as a form of one upmanship.

Apologies,

Blacknad.

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#10200 - 10/06/05 09:20 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
Blacknad Offline
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Posts: 901
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Sorry - it's one-upmanship.

Will I get into trouble for triple posts?

Blacknad.

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#10201 - 10/06/05 09:20 PM Re: IQ and Intelligence
Blacknad Offline
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Well - I'll soon find out I presume.

Blacknad.

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