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The accelerator provides twice as much force the 2nd time round? OK that's fine. But it means the turnarounds also provide even more force:


No kallog the the total acceleration of THE PIPE increses
each cycle.

the same force is used ie...

2nd cycle the pipe total acceleration increases from

a lower total acceleration to a higher total acceleration.

because the mass accelerates to a higher velocity each cycle.

I dont think I have used the term "speed" so far other than
while trying to convince you that the direction of the mass will not accelerate the pipe , what will accelerate the pipe is the force that is placed on the pipe.

you have never added a direction to velocity , normaly
when you see velocity written down you do not also see
a direction.

ie
50 m/s/north
50 miles per hour/south

so since you insist on using direction from now on
we will attach a direction as we discuss movement.

we will use north and south and left and right
when talking about the moving mass and the moving pipe.

and we will say that the mass is
initialy accelerated north.
then turns left
then travels south without acceleration
then turns right
then is accelerated north again.

this way we can both use a more correct description of velocity.

ie...

accelerated from 0 m/s to 50 m/s/North
50 m/s/Left
50 m/s/South
50 m/s/Right

accelerated from 50 m/s/North to 100 m/s/North
100 m/s/Left
100 m/s/South
100 m/s/Right

etc...etc...etc...etc...



so were both guilty of using velocity the normal way
which is the wrong way , its just that you seem to want to make an issue of it , so in this discussion I will adapt to
the new terms.

if you have used velocity the right way in this or any other discussion in this forum , please post a link so that we can see.

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I'm really sure this is a big part of your consistent failure to understand anything I write.


if so then it is also a big part of your consistent failure to understand anything I write.

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The accelerator provides twice as much force the 2nd time round? OK that's fine. But it means the turnarounds also provide even more force:

+2 accelerator.
-3 1st turn.
+3 2nd turn.



according to the above (calculation?) of yours the turnaround accelerates the mass even faster because
you show -3 in turn #1 plus +3 in turn #2
that are the result of the +2 force from acceleration.

even so adding up +2 plus -3 plus +3 shows pipe acceleration. because you end up with +2

but I am curious how you determned that the turnaround adds force , please explain this fantasy of yours , how does the turnaround provide even more force?

and while your explaining please use math.
instead of just picking numbers and forces out of thin air.

but just think kallog if your right then you have discovered another way to produce free energy !! you could capture that extra fantasy force and use it , you still have your original force.


I think you have a extreme lack of the understanding of force and motion





3/4 inch of dust build up on the moon in 4.527 billion years,LOL and QM is fantasy science.