eccles wrote:
'I would say that the ID/creationists cannot be dismissed by any appeal to straight "logic", nor do most "scientists" understand the nature of "belief" which they unconsciously apply to their axioms.'

Does this imply that "creationists' unconsciously apply the term 'belief' to atheists, (as in- you believe there is no god), when in fact atheism manifests as a lack of belief--- or do you mean atheists unconsciously 'believe' without realising it? And surely scientists can be either- atheism is not compulsory for Science 101.

I may be accused of splitting hairs here, but I think that it is the key difference between atheists and believers. The religious have belief and faith in the existence of the divine, the 'supernatural', the 'whatever it is that appeals', whereas the atheists have no such understanding! At all! Not even a little bit-- unconsciously!

PS- I couldn't find Wedge Document, but I thought my comment broad enough to stand alone.