Originally Posted By: Ellis

we three will never agree!!

Free will is not an agreement, and never is a long time...
Originally Posted By: Ellis

But at least we can remain mostly civil.
Once again we are at odds in the belief and definition of civility if there is no standard absolute for humanity to aspire to. Evolution of intellect will be the underlying melody of universal law.
As long as the ego is leading the band, expect diversity and independence.
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