Ellis wrote:

"when in fact it is for many their reason for living- the meaning of life."

Now I'd be surprised if even atheists don't have ideas they accept but cannot prove that serve exactly this purpose. I say we could call this religion. This doesn't at all mean atheism is a religion. Simply that most humans have some beliefs that might be called religious. Perhaps this is what Turner is trying to explore on this thread.

DA agrees with part of his own quote:

"We should stop torturing people because the invisible purple rhinoceros says so."

Why do you believe we should stop torturing people, DA? Can you provide a sound scientific reason, or is it because of your religious beliefs?