Okay jjw, that's fine; let's get rid of the big bang. I still want to ask if you see space as existing before the universe. You already said that you see them as distinct, so this would clarify that distinction for me; that's all.

I like the way you wrote this: "The theories you recite are just a means of trying to explain- as yet unproven- what others believe about the universe."

I agree. I think all the theories are way off when it comes truly describing reality, but those same theories do have remarkable predictive powers and allow us to share ideas with a more or less common understanding. Theories usually aren't "right," but they sure are useful. I'm kinda on a rant about this, these days (see God & science, on Origins forum).

Keep on speculating,
~~Samwik


Pyrolysis creates reduced carbon! ...Time for the next step in our evolutionary symbiosis with fire.