Adrian: I would agree with you if it were merely a question of disagreeing about interpretation of facts.

But the disagreement here is quite different. We are having a discussion in which one side is pointing to verifiable peer reviewed observation d the other is casting about somewhere between pure fantasy (they know it to be untrue) and psychosis (they can not discern the difference between reality and fantasy).

This isn't about which tooth paste makes your teeth whiter and brighter. It is about whether 2+2 equals 4: And it does!

DA Morgan